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ididjaustralia
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 Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: How does an old bamboo didgeridoo sound like? |
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I've had this interesting stick for a while now, something I really treasure because of its age and also because of its exceptional acoustics. Many visitors to iDIDJ Australia have tried this stick and not many can get a rich full-bodied tone on it which is somewhat puzzling... maybe it is because the material is so light and resonant, or maybe because the mouthpiece is a little bigger than most trad aficionados are accustomed to.
Anyway, I was fortunate to hear Darryl Digarrnga play this instrument, to confirm that it is indeed something special. Here's a recording of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSXjpWUDvO4_________________ iDIDJ Australia - Didgeridoo Cultural Hub
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flyangler18
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A very interesting instrument for sure, Guan, and certainly quite special indeed given its unique provenance.
Jason _________________ www.jdidj.com |
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kdidj
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I remember this one. It's a wonderful specimen. I only got to play it for a few seconds but I do remember remarking on its incredible response - unlike any bamboo (or similar) instrument I've ever seen or played!
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Ahaw
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Hi there !
Great videos and Didjs here !
Thanks Darryl & Guan !!!
Di Ta Mor Debor !
But somehow, these videos of Darryl confused me...
I have read on some other didj'related websites that traditional Didj'playing requests flat cheecks... That puffed cheecks are refered to as "frog playing"...
Though Darryl clearly pulls the Bamboo with "puffed" cheecks.
Is this "frog playing moquery" something typically from NEAL's hard tongue style ?
Or is this something totally out of purpose and only another bunch of desinformation found on the web ?
Because puffed cheeks clearly adds big profound sound to the vibration, would be a shame to avoid it !
PS > do not see any offense in this question... asked by a curious French Froggy  |
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ididjaustralia
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| flyangler18 wrote: |
| A very interesting instrument for sure, Guan, and certainly quite special indeed given its unique provenance. |
Hi Jason, I love this instrument for the blue 'trade paint' overlaying the red ochre base. It is just bizarre but also strangely appealing at the same time. My latest guess is that this could be a palm species... the material that this blue 'doo is made from is quite unlike old didgeridoos I have made from Bambusa arnhemica or from pandanus. I should get some fibres tested at the botany department at university or at the herbarium at the botanical gardens...
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ididjaustralia
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| Ahaw wrote: |
But somehow, these videos of Darryl confused me...
I have read on some other didj'related websites that traditional Didj'playing requests flat cheecks... That puffed cheecks are refered to as "frog playing"...
Though Darryl clearly pulls the Bamboo with "puffed" cheecks.
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Good question! I think it doesn't really matter that much if cheeks are in or out for either WAL or NEAL style. But it would seem to me, from personal observation anyway, that accomplised yidaki players in north-east Arnhem Land tend to keep their cheeks in. In contrast, accomplished players from Western Arnhem Land or Arnhem Land players who play the overtone-absent style tend to use cheeks.
If anyone has seen the Groote Eylandt Music and Dance video by Alice Moyle and produced in 1969, you'll notice a hat-wearing guy from Groote Eylandt or the nearby mainland who has pronounced 'puffed cheeks' when playing didgeridoo. And his playing is absolutely top class!
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flyangler18
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| But it would seem to me, from personal observation anyway, that accomplised yidaki players in north-east Arnhem Land tend to keep their cheeks in. |
For what's it's worth, M*lk*yng* seems to puff rather noticeably- and I don't think anyone would say he's not an accomplished player!
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Ahaw
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Thanks for your answers !
So this "frog playing" moquery is just bullshit found on the web then ?
By the way, how come WAL style does not use harmonics ?
Is it due to the shape of the Mago ? (larger than Yidaki on first 1/3 > low BP ?)
Is it impossible to play harmonics on Magos ?
Or has it got more to do with specific cultural/ceremonial reasons ?
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flyangler18
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| By the way, how come WAL style does not use harmonics ? |
On the contrary, WAL uses harmonics quite frequently due to the more open bore of the instrument, just not the high swirling harmonics most Westerner players are familiar with. The vocal 'hums' are a perfect example.
Re; 'frog playing', Djalu has been known to comment that other NEAL clans 'play like frog', even referring to M*lk*yng*!
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kdidj
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Ahaw,
I think you might be referring to 'overtones' or toots instead of 'harmonics'. Western Arnhem Land music traditionally does not use the toot, however North East Arnhem Land music does. This does not mean that these toots are not possible on some mago, only that in the traditional songs of the area that the toot is not used.
Kyle
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Cyril
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| Ahaw wrote: |
Thanks for your answers !
So this "frog playing" moquery is just bullshit found on the web then ?
By the way, how come WAL style does not use harmonics ?
Is it due to the shape of the Mago ? (larger than Yidaki on first 1/3 > low BP ?)
Is it impossible to play harmonics on Magos ?
Or has it got more to do with specific cultural/ceremonial reasons ? |
If You listen the Wongga Style you can hear some different harmonic in the same pattern . You listen the Wongga in the "Arnhem Land Popular Classic"...
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Ahaw
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Hi KyleDidj !
Well no in fact I wasn't refering to the toots but to the "high swirling harmonics" as described by Jason.
Indeed, the " i" and " a" in the "D iT aMor" pattern are harmonics !
Sorry for the misunderstanding...
Concerning the toots, I know they do not appear in WAL style... though there is a David Blanasi recording (which I cannot find right now) in which he blows a big toot in his mago ! Exception confirming the rule 
Hi Cyril ! What did you mean by " You listen the Wongga in the "Arnhem Land Popular Classic"... ??? Thought you were refering to some topic on iDidj called "ArnhemLand PopClassic" but couldn't find any...
I've also tried to check the Wongga Style on YouTube but cannot find anything...
Do you have in mind any perticular CD ? Or website ? Or is it from your own experience through Oz' ?
By the way Cyril, thanks for telling froggies from FranceDidgj about the existence of this new forum ! 
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Ahaw
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flyangler18
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| ndeed, the "i" and "a" in the "DiTaMor" pattern are harmonics ! |
Yes they are harmonics, but the 'high swirling harmonics' are more 'e' and 'o'. EEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEOOOO
Quite absent from traditional styles.
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| Concerning the toots, I know they do not appear in WAL style... though there is a David Blanasi recording (which I cannot find right now) in which he blows a big toot in his mago ! Exception confirming the rule |
There is- but this was 'recreational' playing, not 'serious business'. _________________ www.jdidj.com |
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