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zeroZen · Joined: 24 Mar 2007 Posts: 10

Josh Staley wrote:

Any chance of this being available elsewhere?

Unfortunately (I say this after Guan's kind explanations) there is also a website of the producers where all CDs can be ordered (as set or individually). Garrimala ga Warrarra is only 20 minutes long.

SeriousChris · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 16 Location: Switzerland

I do have all 3 CDs and currently, we're looking into possibilities. One word of warning though. Unlike Volume 1, Volumes 2 and 3 are not separated into several tracks (just one long track) and do not have any specific explanations for individual sections so unless you're very familiar with the song cycle, you have no idea what's going on.
They are of course still very nice to listen to...

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martin · Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 101

SeriousChris wrote:

I do have all 3 CDs and currently, we're looking into possibilities. One word of warning though. Unlike Volume 1, Volumes 2 and 3 are not separated into several tracks (just one long track) and do not have any specific explanations for individual sections so unless you're very familiar with the song cycle, you have no idea what's going on.
They are of course still very nice to listen to...

Good to hear Chris.

Strange that my volume 1. while the tracks are all explained individually in the cover notes on the cd there is just one big track.. I bought it from skinnyfishmusic just after it came out.

Keep us informed mate.
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itsadidj · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 40 Location: New York

I purchased a copy of the first cd a while ago and then heard that Djalu was not yet compensated shortly after...... Mad

.....it is, however, very nice and I'd have to agree with Ed as it is also one of my favorite recent trad CD's. I listen to it often and can highly recommend it....

ididjaustralia wrote:

... hopefully everything sorts itself out and Djalu gets his money.

Guan

Let's hope so...............

Peace,

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ididjaustralia · Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject:

We're getting a bit off topic with this thread, but keeping with the Djalu trilogy CD set recorded in Germany, Djalu was promised a lot of things including a hefty $10+ royalty for each CD sold. It sounded too good to be true. The producer also made claims of being a daughter company of BMG, one of the largest record labels in the world, which would have meant that worldwide distribution would not have been a problem. Instead, we find the CD being sold by only one merchant, and of all places, on eBay Confused

So something is not right here. There was no written contract because the German producer said that it is only without legal fees that he is able to pay Djalu what he promised.

I was not party to negotiations nor was I involved in the CD in any way, luckily. When something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

But maybe all this has been a huge misunderstanding, given the multiple language barriers we are facing here. Let me see if there is resolution to this if I can get a response from the producer...

Guan

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Josh Staley · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 30 Location: Portland OR

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There was no written contract because the German producer said that it is only without legal fees that he is able to pay Djalu what he promised.

That doesn't sound good.

stockie · Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 174 Location: Kent, UK

I know a little about copy right law ish as Djalu is affectivly a recording artist already (the master yothu yindi CD's) has he been set up with things like PRS and equivilant world wide. Is there any recourse this way as surley Djalu as the performing artist on this as nothing was signed has the artistic copy right on this particular recorded work (of course not the cultral side to the actual songs just on these 3 CD's) might be worth contacting the performance and recording copy right people in Auz and Germany.

Also as it was a verble agreement in English law a verbale contract is just as binding as a writen one (you just need to be able to prove it) and as German law is prity similar to Enhlish (Im Sure in a lot of respects and being members of the EU) might be worth going down a legal letter point of view just to see what happens.

appologies for keeping of the tread need to read rest of it

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stockie · Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 174 Location: Kent, UK

Relating to the topic of indigiounous music from all over australia inc top end is there a reluctance from indgiounous people to record things because of the nature of song topics ie secret mens things etc and a miss trust of what will be done with it after the event (a prime example of which has just happened to Djalu)

or is it a reluctance on main stream or indie lables to record artists as they wont sell and just left to field recordings from ethno musicologists etc?

Peter Lister · Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 217 Location: Australia

Now that I'm back here I'm gonna stir the pot again on this thread. In reading the opening post I was struck that I'd missed something - something that related directly to the lack of appreciation of Aboriginal music.

Thirty years ago here in Sydney there was an agency that actively bought performers from Arnhem Land - in particular, eastern AL, to perform song and dance in the public arena. Often these were open air events during the warmer months and they were very popular with Sydneysiders. Sometimes there might be a group from Mornington Island or western AL but there was always interest and good attendance. This sort of thing is a rarity now but when it happens there is still a good turnout - even if it's midweek during work time.

We have many officious openings for official-styled events these days and they often have performances and now with the standard "welcome to country" lines usually by some local descendent (but usually someone from much further afield - western NSW), but remarkably, many of these performers are people of far north Qld descent. It maybe that this occurs because these people live in Sydney and therefore are a cost-effective alternative.... I don't have a problem with that but it means that the publics' impression of what constitutes Aboriginal performance is biased to one region alone, and therefore by one style of music and dance. There is usually no mention of this when they perform. Everyone knows what its' like these days as it's good media material, so when Joe Public thinks about such a thing he has a mental image of someone hopping about like a kangaroo or strutting in imitation of an emu. While this is typical of some regions, it's just not like that in most of the country where people still retain their dances and music, as many of you here would be aware. There is also public modern dance performances at places like our Opera House and particular dance venues - performances by Bangarra for example - highly professional and with trad consultants from AL - but the people that go to see events like this I suspect are usually the converted. WOMAD is another place where such things happen, but again - the aware are already there.

It's no different with the didj - some shocking busker in a prominent public location - such as a pedestrian tunnel to a train station sounding like a screaming banshee on acid does nothing to instill even the slightest interest from a passer-by. If Djakapura is performing with Bangarra you get the real deal - but as I said - it's the converted that are present.

So if the broader community in which we each live is filled with mediocrity or a loud voice purporting to be the genuine item, or quality performances but no mention s made of the region or cultural group to which they belong, then out of ignorance they will believe that's "Aboriginal music" and until we again have people for whom this tradition is their reality performing in such locations and at such events then we'll not make headway in this regard.

So, it's the ill or poorly informed that are ignorant and so lack an appreciation. I'm sure that if I took the time to listen to some classy bagpipe playing I'd grow to appreciate it too, but ......well, maybe that's expecting a bit too much........apologies to any pipers out there.

kdidj · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 258

I agree wholeheartedly Peter. Too often the unititiated are introduced to the didjeridu and Aboriginal Culture through these somewhat tenuous threads and experiences. Hopefully films and documentaries such as 10 Canoes and Dhakiyarr vs The King will help stear the masses towards the homelands, so to speak.

I've got a VHS tape of a public performance entitled Yingapingapu which was in one of these outdoor arenas that you've mentioned, either in Sydney or Melbourne, I don't recall which. It would be great to see more events like this.

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garawirrtjaboys · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject:

so what music do u like like rap or hip hop r'n'b mayb u mob listen only to yidaki music ay???????? ha ha!!!!!!

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kdidj · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 258

Hey Garawirrtjaboys,

I like all sorts of music my notable favourites being reggae and roots, jazz, acid jazz, funk and rock as well as some hip hop. At the moment I'm listening to the new Jack Johnson album a lot as well as some Xavier Rudd and Gurrumul and of course some yidaki music!

Kyle

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stockie · Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 174 Location: Kent, UK

Hi garawirrtjaboys

I pretty much apart from Yidaki based music from Trad to Contempory have a large grounding in rock, love american 60's and 70's soul, motown but pretty much most things guitar based such as Nirvana, AC/DC beatles, anything a bit wacky and off the wall

Laurent · Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Brittany, France

Hi guys,
For my part, I listen a lot of Magma (strange music for a lot of people Very Happy

), roots reggae, ska jazz, traditional Indian music (for the tablas rhythms complexity and all the structure in fact), traditional African music (poly rhythmic...), old blues and New Orleans Jazz and of course Yidaki music (more attracted by the traditional way than the contemporary; I like nevertheless contemporary groups or didgeridoo players which one have a certain research in their music other that 'tekete, tokoto ect...." and all this stuff making that a lot of people shout "I play didgeridoo!" Laughing

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Ok I'm hidden and I go out... Cool

But that's only my point of view...
See ya
Laurent

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flyangler18 · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 394

Hey Garawirrtjaboys,

I enjoy all kinds of music- but especially blues, jazz, reggae and roots, and a healthy share of yidaki! My most recent album purchases was the new Black Crowes album, awesome stuff, as well as some of your countrymen- the Saltwater Band! Gurrumul has been playing non-stop in my CD player since I got it a month or so ago.

Jason

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