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ididjaustralia
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Post subject: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:21 pm |
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I had a curious post on the profile page of iDIDJ Australia YouTube channel, cut and paste as below: Quote: I am very troubled that this page does not seem to include the APPROPRIATE circumstances in which the didjeridoo may be used. I am concerned that this is another VIOLATION of Indigenous culture, firstly by white Australians who know better, secondly by gullible and naive internationals who may not. NOTE: 1 The didjeridoo is not to be played by women 2 the didjeridoo should not be ornamented by sacred images 3 Copyright must be paid to all Copyright owners. [ I am a white feminist woman living on land owned by the Noongar peoples of South-Western Australia ]. Who can tell me what's wrong with this view? It can be a little tiring sometimes re-visiting this supposed taboo concerning women and the didgeridoo. Can someone kindly ask the lady to come onto the Forum here so we can begin the education process? Let's put the welcome mat out first Guan
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 9:58 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:15 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:50 pm |
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this woman can ask me questions im full yolngu and i know my culture .yidaki belongs to my people why does she say voilaton of my culture what does voilaton mean really? we paint sacred minytji on yidaki sometimes we leave plain sometimes .we paint;or sometimes we put stiky tapes. . but everything we paints are sacred we can paints our totems like what belongs to us passed down from father or grandpa and also granny minytji dfrom mothers side or mothers minytji or waku that means my mothers grandmother .\' if you come up to our land we can teach you more even womens can come/.m well anyway see ya
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:20 am |
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garawirrtjaboys wrote: this woman can ask me questions im full yolngu and i know my culture .yidaki belongs to my people why does she say voilaton of my culture what does voilaton mean really? we paint sacred minytji on yidaki sometimes we leave plain sometimes .we paint;or sometimes we put stiky tapes. . but everything we paints are sacred we can paints our totems like what belongs to us passed down from father or grandpa and also granny minytji dfrom mothers side or mothers minytji or waku that means my mothers grandmother .\' if you come up to our land we can teach you more even womens can come/.m well anyway see ya Hi garawirrtjaboys Just think this is a very nice welcoming post and invite to our (hopefully) future new lady member. I for one am looking forward to any discussions and will almost certainly learn something!!!! Thanks guys for offering to share your knowledge. Paul
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:51 am |
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garawirrtjaboys,
there was a similar incident on another forum: a number of claims were made but based on ill founded information from other intenet sites. The internet sadly seems to proliferate a lot of rubbish that is argued through by people who don't fully know.
I certainly don't claim to be knowledgable! But I watched with interest.
Best wishes
Dan
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ididjaustralia
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Post subject: Women and yidaki Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:15 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:49 am |
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Looks like the lady is a bit embarrassed about her outburst, still no word from her. Anyway, got this request recently with regards to the didgeridoo festival in Melbourne: Quote: Hi Guan,
I am one of the people helping to put together the forthcoming didgeridu festival and Peter has suggested I engage with you on something;
Women playing didgeridu.
I'm aware of sensitivities around the issue, and also about the power of good that I think would inevitably come if Djalu were able to make a public statement that he was comfortable with on the matter. As an elder from an area traditional to didgeridu it would be a great act of reconcilation and would play a part in liberating half the population would on the issue.
Can you possibly canvas it with him?
Given the health benefits of didge for respiratory problems and sleeping problems, in my better hypothetical world I hope that all Australian children will one day have the opportunity to learn it.
If it is considered too risky I am prepared to postpone the matter.
Best, Dean Quote: Thanks again Guan. This is very exciting. A Yolngu Matha version and an English version would be more than useful.
There have been similar developments within my specialty area of throat singing. Women used to be banned from throat singing in Tibet until enlightened forces (which may have included the Dalai Lama) changed the policy and other places like Tuva where women were told (the familar story) that they might have babies with three heads and that sort of thing. Yet Canadian Inuit and South African Xhosa women are the ones who throat sing there.
I certainly don't want to put any noses out of joint but any developments and clarifications would be precious.
Cheers, Dean Guan
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 3:35 am |
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That's interesting about throat singing. Awesome! Anyone else here is a throat singer?
Pedro
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:28 pm |
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:05 pm |
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Hi Everyone Just joined Im an overtone/throat singer student and have been an occasional Didjcircle student at Mia Mia in Melbourne, due somewhat to the women and Didj issue Anyway thanks Guan for the abc women and yidaki clip - and previous email clarification on this issue via Peter Matic. Great to hear it directly from Vernon Marritinjngu. Everywhere I go this issue is raised and it gets rather tiresome as Im sure you know! However, following the recent successful Melb Didj Fest and encouragement for women to play Didj at Mia Mia I feel welcome and encouraged to bring along other interested women Didj students/players. Hard to believe there are 80,000+ Didj players in Europe and a Didj Fest every two weeks - why not in Oz too?
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:27 am |
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There's the question! Why did I feel closer to the scene in the UK than in Sydney? Ironic innit?
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:34 am |
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julia siler wrote: Hard to believe there are 80,000+ Didj players in Europe and a Didj Fest every two weeks - why not in Oz too? ??? I'm curious to know where you got those stats from ? And do you have a list of the at least 25 European Didj Fests ? (15x25=375days) I think these figures are way over-estimated !
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julia siler
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:52 pm |
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heard those figures mentioned @ the Melbourne Didj Fest
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danielsaan
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Post subject: Re: Sacred images on didgeridoos??? Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:31 am |
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Ahaw wrote: julia siler wrote: Hard to believe there are 80,000+ Didj players in Europe and a Didj Fest every two weeks - why not in Oz too? ??? I'm curious to know where you got those stats from ? And do you have a list of the at least 25 European Didj Fests ? (15x25=375days) I think these figures are way over-estimated ! Agreed. That is a massive number. Sounds like a case of grooming the figures to me.
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