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That sounds good Guan - fast and articulate. Laga does have a real rough quality to these attacks though which are really apparent in Stockie's slowed down clips. Well done.
Great Guan, that is sounding much closer to Adam.
and it is the sound I am missing in the opening.
I'll get on it again and try to get hold of the more subtle parts of the sound.
Thanks for the comments,
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Australia
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject:
Thanks guys, I'll keep working at it. I might try another yidaki, something a bit juicer and 'chewier', to see if I can get a rougher more brutal sound. The instrument I recorded on was kinda plain sonically, nice player but very flat acoustics.
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Australia
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:34 am Post subject:
Well, here's another recording of Marrilaga style which I attempted again today. And I'm trying 2 things here actually, one is to play audio files inline, which you should be able to do with this one as it is hosted at an external site. Second thing I'm trying to do is to improve on my playing!?!
The difference to my previous 2 attempts at this style is that I'm finishing the song right to the end this time, but as you can hear, it is still an effort to go without breathing for so long and I'm still struggling. So just listen to the opening few seconds and don't worry about the rest But I am getting there, slowly... after recording and listening to greats like Yomsie, Wini, Laga et. al. for all these years, I should at least pay tribute to these guys by attempting to sound half decent.
Let me know what you think. I used a different microphone this time, a pair of old binaurals, as I recorded indoors (its raining outside, yipee, rain at last!!!) and these seem better in reducing boominess.
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Australia
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:41 am Post subject:
I was just listening to my latest attempt, and oh man, its not easy to keep precise timing. A split second off, a half beat missed, and it all kinda falls apart.
That is sounding really good Guan. Great sound. You can hear that you have
been practicing .-)
And the recording quality is lovely and warm. Must some nice "old" binaural mics.
I also have been praticing a bit more, and hopefully will test out the audio posting myself
this week.
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Australia
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:34 am Post subject:
Hi Mahir,
Yeah, deep sign in between alright. When you don't breathe for the first 8 to 10 seconds whilst trying to pump it, it does take its toll
Some of the best yidaki players in Arnhem Land actually, now that I think of it, have barrel chests. I noticed that with a great player from Elcho recently, Dha:pan. Also, Yomunu, when I first met him some 10 years ago or more when he was still touring with Yothu Yindi, his chest was like a swimmer's, it was huge! When guys look like that - fit, healthy and strong - they sound incredible.
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Australia
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:40 am Post subject:
Thanks for that Martin, glad it sounds good to you
I have been practising, grabbing 15 or 20 seconds to play like this a few times every day, working on technique and also speed. I need to work on composition next, as you can hear, it is all over the place with my latest attempt. The first 6 to 7 seconds are good and exactly what I wanted to play, but then I missed a beat as I wasn't thinking fast enough and from then on it was like playing catch up and improvising...
Hope it'll be better next time
And looking forward to hearing you again. Your overtone notes really impressed me last time!
Here is another version.
This is a higher stick, a little faster, but maybe with a toot that is less clear.
I hope it is at least an improvement on the previous version. Playing with this has been good exercise.
I am now working on a version for tuba. ..
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Australia
Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject:
I like it Martin! It is an improvement, and again, the overtone notes are superb!
One thing I'd focus on is to get those tongued accents a bit more 'bouncier' and lighter, so that they have that delicate feathery touch rather than the forceful impact I'm hearing.
Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 8 Location: Europe (Germany)
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: you do great guys
I know so well what you mean, Martin. My main problem too is that my attempts sound kinda staccato, but when Adam does it it flows with a full bodied sound. Thats what I like the most about his style: it's uniting flow and power.
And above that there is no excuse in my Yidaki because Adam plays it on Youtube and it MAGIC. Obviously it's me who is not
I like it Martin! It is an improvement, and again, the overtone notes are superb!
One thing I'd focus on is to get those tongued accents a bit more 'bouncier' and lighter, so that they have that delicate feathery touch rather than the forceful impact I'm hearing.
Good stuff mate.
Anyone else trying this style?
Guan
Hi Guan
I have been re-visiting some of the older sound files on this and the "this isn't a tip" sections under this subject and there is just one thing I can't get. It's that lovely ringing sound at the end of each dhirrl. Adam, Larry, Milkay, you and Martin can all do it but I can't seem to get it. I have no trouble breathing at the end of the dhirrl's and can play a constant dhirrl(breath) dhirrl (breath) fast and as many times as I want in succession using the bounce breath and I know that sound comes from a combination of tongue position and use of throat muscles but this sound is missing in my playing, even trying to add my voice dosen't seem to make any difference. It's driving me nuts. Any help would be appreciated
Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 912 Location: Australia
Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject:
ozmadman wrote:
Hi Guan
I have been re-visiting some of the older sound files on this and the "this isn't a tip" sections under this subject and there is just one thing I can't get. It's that lovely ringing sound at the end of each dhirrl. Adam, Larry, Milkay, you and Martin can all do it but I can't seem to get it. I have no trouble breathing at the end of the dhirrl's and can play a constant dhirrl(breath) dhirrl (breath) fast and as many times as I want in succession using the bounce breath and I know that sound comes from a combination of tongue position and use of throat muscles but this sound is missing in my playing, even trying to add my voice dosen't seem to make any difference. It's driving me nuts. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
Paul
G'day Paul,
One way we can help is if you upload a clip of yourself playing yidaki, that way we can hear and accordingly suggest things to do or not to do. You are correct about the use of throat muscles for this sound, it isn't easy but with a bit of practice it should not be a problem.
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But I am getting there, slowly... after recording and listening to greats like Yomsie, Wini, Laga et. al. for all these years, I should at least pay tribute to these guys by attempting to sound half decent.
