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flyangler18 · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 394

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The fishing ones are visually attractive as they have a bunch of stingray barbs at one end, though sometimes wooden spikes are used instead (these days, metal spikes are the norm...)

The fishing spears and heavily barbed payback spears were always my favorites to look at Smile

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Peter Lister · Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 214 Location: Australia

ididjaustralia wrote:

Pic of spears below. There must be about 25 of them in the pic, up to 3 metres long. I've got a dozen or so shorter ones.

Funny but over at Ramingining, the spear is not used much for hunting. They aren't saltwater people but mud flats and swamp people, and the shotgun is the weapon of choice for hunting... for magpie goose, wallabies and kangaroos, emus occasionally. The spear and woomera are used more commonly over at Elcho Island, Gove etc. where there are clear waters and sandy beaches. For fishing, Ramo families use a hand line and lure or hook. No spearing in these places, except for when fights break out!

Guan

Well, I'll have to scan some pics of us spear fishing for barramundi at Ramo. then !! True, handlines for catfish and spangled perch etc., but those young fast barra in the muddy water as the tide changes - that's a challenge......

Peter L.

ididjaustralia · Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject:

Hey Bita,

Here are the sorts of pics I meant, classic hunting expeditions Ramo (or should that be Rambo?) style. Over at "crossing" is where all the Barra action is at, especially around March-May. You can literally land a Barra every couple of minutes with a handline and lure. With a spear, it wouldn't be as efficient or effective I think.

Jason, let's see some of your fly-fishing pics! One more reason to come to Australia... we've got world famous fly-fishing spots here Very Happy

Guan

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Well, I'll have to scan some pics of us spear fishing for barramundi at Ramo. then !! True, handlines for catfish and spangled perch etc., but those young fast barra in the muddy water as the tide changes - that's a challenge......

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flyangler18 · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 394

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Jason, let's see some of your fly-fishing pics!

I'll have to dig some up! I do most of my angling for wild wily (and super selective!) brook and brown trout on small mountain streams, so I'm often alone and without camera Confused

But I do have a few choice pics, I believe.

Jason

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ididjaustralia · Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject:

Sounds good. I've never done fly-fishing myself but it sounds like an enjoyable thing to do. Other Aussies might correct me, but I believe trout (rainbow trout?) is the most cherished species? Tasmania is the place to go for that, just across the Bass Strait from where I am Very Happy

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I'll have to dig some up! I do most of my angling for wild wily (and super selective!) brook and brown trout on small mountain streams, so I'm often alone and without camera Confused

But I do have a few choice pics, I believe.

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flyangler18 · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 394

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Other Aussies might correct me, but I believe trout (rainbow trout?) is the most cherished species?

I think lots of people enjoy rainbows because they are spectacular jumpers when they're hooked- but brown trout and brook trout are the prize here in the US because they are very wary and super spooky, requiring very accurate casting and perfect fly selection to 'match the hatch' that is, what the trout are feeding on at the particular moment in time on that stream. A little stream entymology goes a long way Smile

Here's a couple of pics of brook trout that I am particularly fond of- 'brookies' are spectacularly colored and the only trout species native to the eastern US- rainbows from the West and browns from Germany were stocked into streams beginning in the 19th century. These were both caught early fall of last year in a national park not far from where we once lived in Virginia- and their colors match the color of the fall foliage!

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flyangler18 · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 394

Back to the subject of this thread, here is a pic of an atlatl/spearthrower crafted from local timber (curly maple) and features a deer bone tine attached with artifical sinew and a wrapped leather handle with finger loops. This one is about 24 inches long and rough 3/4 of an inch wide and thick with a slight curve moving handle to tip. This form is based on one that was common in the Eastern United States. The atlatl has been found on every continent with the exception of Antarctica, so identifying a point of origin is impossible. The technology slipped out of use with the development of the bow.

The timber has a lovely 'tiger striping' that makes this one particularly attractive Smile

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Peter Lister · Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 214 Location: Australia

Heh Guan,

those pics show a side of Ramo. I've not experienced - the Wet !! Wow, seeing those gulwirri' in water like that, it's so different !!

And Djigirr is so young !! (I did get the joke - well done!)

Heh Jason,

I've eaten those small brown ? trout in Colorado - I think they're introduced there - beautiful though.

Peter L.

flyangler18 · Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 394

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I've eaten those small brown ? trout in Colorado - I think they're introduced there - beautiful though.

You may have! The brookies that I'm used to fishing for tend to be around 9-10 inches as the mountain streams are a hostile place. High gradients and warm summers often confine fish to isolated pools where food competition is fierce. Fish & Wildlife folks have introduced rainbows and browns to some larger water- and the most successful streams are those that have holdover populations of 'bows and browns that start spawning and become more or less wild trout. Some water will even hold all three species in a stretch, some parts more conducive for browns and other parts for rainbows and brookies. Browns are the toughest- ultraselective in the fly pattern used and the presentation must be flawless. I've had browns come up and take a look at my fly, only to turn away uninterested upon closer inspection.

Anyway, here's a couple of reference images for brown and rainbow trout. Pics from the Department of National Resources pages- I don't have many pics of browns or rainbows that I landed. Confused

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Peter Lister · Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 214 Location: Australia

I recall a big feast of about 30 of them - all smaller ones like your image of the rainbow trout - they were great !

PL.

Peter Lister · Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 214 Location: Australia

OK, well hopefully I can send this pic this time (had trouble 'cos the file was too big) - found this when going through some other files earlier today. Maybe it should be in the funny pics section ?? - me with a macassan-style beard about 4 years ago at Ramo. This is a watjarrkali, a juvenile but very tasty freshwater barra and very difficult to spear.

ididjaustralia · Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:

Hi Bita! Did you spear that one? I've got some great new shots of spear fishing at night, the first time I've done this. I didn't get anything but the other guys did: Floyd Dharamal, Adam Marrilaga, Murphy Gapuruwuy, Damien Djanga... Definitely the best time I've had for a long time with Yolngu. I did manage to get across to Galiwin'ku too but only for a day trip... booked and paid for 2 charter planes for Yolngu which I couldn't really afford but that was my 'funeral duty'. Wait til I upload vids of Adam Marrilaga playing yidaki... he's one hot player, my favourite at the moment. Definitely a name to look out for and someone who I've got planned for the next overseas gig. Watch out everyone!?!?!

Guan

Peter Lister · Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 214 Location: Australia

Hi Guan - yep, but that's the only one ! I never had the chance to fish when I was younger as my Dad never took me - said he sat in a boat once for a whole day with his brother and never caught a thing - thought it a great waste of time so would never repeat it !! But I did catch fish on a hand line Ramo. - a spangled perch was my very first - very appropriate don't you think !

Spear fishing at night - what about baru and mokoy ??

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ididjaustralia · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject:

Peter Lister wrote:

Spear fishing at night - what about baru and mokoy ??

Ba:ru yes, can be scary not knowing what's out there in the sea.

Guan

ididjaustralia · Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject:

Pics here of spear fishing at night, no woomera used though. First one is of Floyd Dharamal and Marimonuk looking for those silver scales.

Second pic shows Marimonuk, Ryohei from Japan, Murphy Gapuruwuy, Tenshi from Japan, Liam from NSW, and Francois from France - acting up as only wild and crazy men can in Arnhem Land.

Third pic is Dharamal (Mr Popular chatting with his girlfriend on his mobile), Francois and Liam. And Francois got one Marawa. We also got other fish including Galkany', and Wa:kun.

It was a sensational night, one that won't be forgotten easily...

Guan

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